On Christian Civilization & Morals
Christians will sometimes point to other cultures' repugnant practices as a means of highlighting the supposed superiority of "Christian" society and values. To those people, I ask them to consider Christian society in the fifteenth century, which was very devoutly Christian and certainly had more church involvement in human affairs:
-- St. Joan of Arc burned at the stake
-- St. Thomas Moore burned at the stake (refusal to recognize the religious authority of the kind over that of the pope.)
-- Jan Hus and some of his followers burned at the stake for heresy, and several other followers were beheaded for questioning indulgences.
-- Heinrich Kramer and Johann Sprenger's Malleus Maleficarum (The Witch Hammer), a guide used by the Inquisition for the diagnosis, behavior, trial, and punishment of witches.
-- Jews expelled from: Styria - Austria as well as the rest of Austria, Berne, Speyer - Germany, Eger - Bohemia, Spain (3 or 4 separate occasions.)
-- Jews required to attend conversion classes in Sicily (first third of the century)
-- In 1452 Pope Nicholas V, in his Dum Diversas, instituted the hereditary enslavement of "nonbelievers".
-- In 1488, Pope Innocent VIII accepted the gift of 100 slaves from Ferdinand II of Aragon, and distributed those slaves to his cardinals and the Roman nobility;[15]
Life for women was substantially different too:
married women did not have a legal existence apart from their husbands. They were considered inferior property of their husbands.
If that society was Christian, then many, if not all, of the practices reviled by many in modern times in other cultures are Christian as well. If we consider modern society to be Christian as well, then Christians need to describe what scriptures have changed, or how our interpretation of them have changed between then and now.
My impression is that no such change of values occurred in Christianity. Civilization in Europe (and the colonies) evolved regardless of it's Christian heritage to the more modern state. Peoples attitudes changed and dragged the churches along with them, rather than the church providing any particular guidance. The values of modern society are not actually Christian at all, but indicative of progress on an absolute scale.
Since medieval European society was as Christian, or more so, than today's, Christianity has little to no moral value or lessons for us.
mostly from:
-- http://atheism.about.com/library/FAQs/christian/blchron_xian_medieval6.htm
-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Hus#Indulgences
-- http://www.castles-of-britain.com/castlezb.htm
-- http://books.google.ca/books?id=pN-GTGzOngAC&pg=PA3&lpg=PA3&dq=medieval+women+property&source=web&ots=bjQUs_8xOM&sig=6ydeePVQJdkrAHmH8ylUBdqj-84&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=2&ct=result#PPA4,M1
-- St. Joan of Arc burned at the stake
-- St. Thomas Moore burned at the stake (refusal to recognize the religious authority of the kind over that of the pope.)
-- Jan Hus and some of his followers burned at the stake for heresy, and several other followers were beheaded for questioning indulgences.
-- Heinrich Kramer and Johann Sprenger's Malleus Maleficarum (The Witch Hammer), a guide used by the Inquisition for the diagnosis, behavior, trial, and punishment of witches.
-- Jews expelled from: Styria - Austria as well as the rest of Austria, Berne, Speyer - Germany, Eger - Bohemia, Spain (3 or 4 separate occasions.)
-- Jews required to attend conversion classes in Sicily (first third of the century)
-- In 1452 Pope Nicholas V, in his Dum Diversas, instituted the hereditary enslavement of "nonbelievers".
-- In 1488, Pope Innocent VIII accepted the gift of 100 slaves from Ferdinand II of Aragon, and distributed those slaves to his cardinals and the Roman nobility;[15]
Life for women was substantially different too:
married women did not have a legal existence apart from their husbands. They were considered inferior property of their husbands.
If that society was Christian, then many, if not all, of the practices reviled by many in modern times in other cultures are Christian as well. If we consider modern society to be Christian as well, then Christians need to describe what scriptures have changed, or how our interpretation of them have changed between then and now.
My impression is that no such change of values occurred in Christianity. Civilization in Europe (and the colonies) evolved regardless of it's Christian heritage to the more modern state. Peoples attitudes changed and dragged the churches along with them, rather than the church providing any particular guidance. The values of modern society are not actually Christian at all, but indicative of progress on an absolute scale.
Since medieval European society was as Christian, or more so, than today's, Christianity has little to no moral value or lessons for us.
mostly from:
-- http://atheism.about.com/library/FAQs/christian/blchron_xian_medieval6.htm
-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Hus#Indulgences
-- http://www.castles-of-britain.com/castlezb.htm
-- http://books.google.ca/books?id=pN-GTGzOngAC&pg=PA3&lpg=PA3&dq=medieval+women+property&source=web&ots=bjQUs_8xOM&sig=6ydeePVQJdkrAHmH8ylUBdqj-84&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=2&ct=result#PPA4,M1